If I were the Minister for Education...

Here is my project to suggest ways for our education system to be the best it can be. I have a few ideas, which I’d love help fleshing out.

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Why has the government or any of its agencies created so few resources to help us teach the curriculum, and if they did, what should they do? #edchatie

Episode 23 of If I were the Minister for Education explores how the government could provide teachers and students with adequate learning resources.

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Why has the government or any of its agencies created so few resources to help us teach the curriculum, and if they did, what should they do? #edchatie

Episode 23 of If I were the Minister for Education explores how the government could provide teachers and students with adequate learning resources.

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Getting into Teacher Training College and Religious Privilege 2019 ⛪ #edchatie

Every year since 2016, I have been comparing the number of points required to get into the supposedly secular university, DCU, depending on your religious background. Every year, if you belong to a Protestant belief system, you require fewer points in your Leaving Cert than those of any other faith system or none.

This year you require 105 points fewer to get into the same Teacher Training course in DCU if you belong to this one belief system.

This anomaly was part of an agreement when the CICE and St. Pat's amalgamated into DCU, which was to end in 2018. However, the government and DCU allowed this to continue and there is no valid reason whatsoever for it.

All I ever hear from denominational schools is that they are as inclusive as everyone else and that we all do the same thing at the end of the day. Yet, the Church of Ireland, seem to think they need to have Church of Ireland teachers. If we're all doing the same thing, I cannot see how this applies.

I also have a major problem with the fact that no other minority religion gets such advantages. For example, should a Jewish student who wants to get into teaching not get an advantage so he/she can teach in the Jewish school? Ditto for a Muslim? Then what about the students that can only work in equality-based schools, based on their conscience and values? Should there be a separate points system for them to ensure they have the opportunity to teach in an equality-based model of education?

We can't have one rule for one religion and not have it equally on all religions. There is no reason to advantage one faith group over another, especially in a university that is supposed to be secular and in a course where for the vast majority of the time, all students spend the same time in the same lecture theatres.
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Getting into Teacher Training College and Religious Privilege 2019 ⛪ #edchatie

Every year since 2016, I have been comparing the number of points required to get into the supposedly secular university, DCU, depending on your religious background. Every year, if you belong to a Protestant belief system, you require fewer points in your Leaving Cert than those of any other faith system or none. 

This year you require 105 points fewer to get into the same Teacher Training course in DCU if you belong to this one belief system. 

This anomaly was part of an agreement when the CICE and St. Pats amalgamated into DCU, which was to end in 2018. However, the government and DCU allowed this to continue and there is no valid reason whatsoever for it. 

All I ever hear from denominational schools is that they are as inclusive as everyone else and that we all do the same thing at the end of the day. Yet, the Church of Ireland, seem to think they need to have Church of Ireland teachers. If were all doing the same thing, I cannot see how this applies. 

I also have a major problem with the fact that no other minority religion gets such advantages. For example, should a Jewish student  who wants to get into teaching not get an advantage so he/she can teach in the Jewish school? Ditto for a Muslim? Then what about the students that can only work in equality-based schools, based on their conscience and values? Should there be a separate points system for them to ensure they have the opportunity to teach in an equality-based model of education?

We cant have one rule for one religion and not have it equally on all religions. There is no reason to advantage one faith group over another, especially in a university that is supposed to be secular and in a course where for the vast majority of the time, all students spend the same time in the same lecture theatres.

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The whole education system need to be redone from scratch. Fun fact, deaf people can’t become a teacher to teach deaf students due to this and also the requirement to have both English and Irish language. It’s crazy if you think about it. P.S. Oh and native French speaking teachers also can’t teach French in Ireland unless they have both English and Irish language qualification. We are in the age where students need to learn different languages to get into workforce. Spanish, Chinese, etc are important languages. I believe in protecting Irish language, I speak a minority language myself, but teachers of foreign languages or deaf teachers should get exemptions.

This is not right or fair. Even when I was doing my teacher training in N. Ireland in the 70's, catholic and secular student teachers were treated the same in regards to entry, course work etc. It was when Catholics were treated differently to Protestants in regards to voting, housing etc that the 'troubles' started.

I love my country, but the only word I can think of to describe this situation is "Ireland".

Oh and if you're going to publicly denounce this, perhaps you could publish statistics on how many protestant teachers are employed in Roman Catholic schools. I think you'll find it's not very many. So in most cases the only places a protestant teacher can get a job is CofI schools. Where as many Catholics work in CofI schools. This is a really unfair employment truth about teaching, so are we going to discuss all the issues or just the points issue which has a historical logic to it ie amalgamation from a stand alone smaller college, which had lower intake therefore obviously lower points. Let's look at all sides here to truly be fair shall we.

OK either complete ignorance on behalf of the author of this article or they didn't bother researching before writing this. The Church of Ireland College of Education decided to become part of DCU a few yrs ago but on the condition that they could still train teachers for Church of Ireland and other Protestant managed schools. So therefore they are and should be allowed to train teachers for their schools just as equally as teachers can be trained for Catholic schools. And obviously there are less Protestants in Ireland so as the Leaving Cert Points system is higher for courses with a higher demand and lower for courses with a lower demand then this will be the way for the foreseeable future! This comes up every year but only from people who lack understanding of the whole story!

Amazing situation which has been allowed to develop.

I am shocked to think this sort of thing still goes on 😲

You could also argue that a similar type of discrimination exists in favour of Gaeltacht students as their points are exaggurated🤗

I find in situations like this, finding a well built, solid wall (not western building systems obviously) and bashing your head against it gives the most relief.

So unfair

Beggars belief 😒 in the supposed age of educational inclusivity

And then there’s the reduced points and reserved places for Gaeltacht applicants.

Shocking...

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Is it any different to giving extra points for doing exams through Irish? After all, Irish is just another European language!

Anseo.net the problem is that powers that be sold out CICE and effectively closed it down to become part of secular DCU, an action which a lot of protestants disagreed with. The points system was like this when cice existed. Did you have a problem with it then? When they were a stand alone college in their own right with a small intake of protestant teachers, thence lower points? When they amalgamated, which was a terrible idea, as this original post proves, they asked to retain their own points system. I don't see the problem there. And you cannot talk about a secular school system Ireland's system IS NOT secular therefore there will be anomalies like this.

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